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	<title>Comments on: Advice on this Henry Schulman nonsense: GET OVER IT</title>
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		<title>By: Jey</title>
		<link>http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/06/22/advice-on-this-henry-schulman-nonsense-get-over-it/#comment-32952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wasn't an apology, it was all puff, he didn't do anything of substance, he acted like a child who's parents made him apologize without explaining why they had to, and there's no reason to wish him death, he's going to die eventually, I doubt he's a Highlander!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wasn&#8217;t an apology, it was all puff, he didn&#8217;t do anything of substance, he acted like a child who&#8217;s parents made him apologize without explaining why they had to, and there&#8217;s no reason to wish him death, he&#8217;s going to die eventually, I doubt he&#8217;s a Highlander!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/06/22/advice-on-this-henry-schulman-nonsense-get-over-it/#comment-32591</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt, I totally agree in theory.  Our society has gotten much less civilized and a lot more disrespectful over the years.  I can't argue that.  The internet has hastened that trend.

However, it's a bit disingenuous for a guy who left his professionalism at the door to complain about how rudely he was treated.  People didn't call him names because they disagreed with his opinion, people called him names because he started the name calling.

I will agree that people from all walks of life could stand to be nicer to their fellow man, but I am going to hold "professional journalist covering MLB team for 20 years" to a higher standard than random e-mail guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt, I totally agree in theory.  Our society has gotten much less civilized and a lot more disrespectful over the years.  I can&#8217;t argue that.  The internet has hastened that trend.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s a bit disingenuous for a guy who left his professionalism at the door to complain about how rudely he was treated.  People didn&#8217;t call him names because they disagreed with his opinion, people called him names because he started the name calling.</p>
<p>I will agree that people from all walks of life could stand to be nicer to their fellow man, but I am going to hold &#8220;professional journalist covering MLB team for 20 years&#8221; to a higher standard than random e-mail guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/06/22/advice-on-this-henry-schulman-nonsense-get-over-it/#comment-32587</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, Joe, I have an expectation that people treat each other with respect. You do not forfeit that write because you are in the public eye, whether you’re a ballplayer or one who writes about one. I do not apologize for holding people to high standards. I guess we can debate whether or not he treated Raburn disrespectfully by writing scrub. They’re doing it at Baseball Think Factory. But bottom line is, people have to quit being assholes just for the sake of being assholes. I know, I know, it’s a dream that will never come true. But I’ll keep saying it.

SF Scrub is right that Schulman is not a columnist. But a beat writer’s job is to analyze as well as report. He shouldn't be giving an opinion on firing the manager but giving one on why the game was won is fine. He was selling the point the Giants got beat by the guys no one’s heard of. And bottom line here: scrub means bench player, the term he should have used in the first place. He could have gone with the less colorful but more accurate  “the 74 OPS+ utilityman Ryan Raburn” I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Joe, I have an expectation that people treat each other with respect. You do not forfeit that write because you are in the public eye, whether you’re a ballplayer or one who writes about one. I do not apologize for holding people to high standards. I guess we can debate whether or not he treated Raburn disrespectfully by writing scrub. They’re doing it at Baseball Think Factory. But bottom line is, people have to quit being assholes just for the sake of being assholes. I know, I know, it’s a dream that will never come true. But I’ll keep saying it.</p>
<p>SF Scrub is right that Schulman is not a columnist. But a beat writer’s job is to analyze as well as report. He shouldn&#8217;t be giving an opinion on firing the manager but giving one on why the game was won is fine. He was selling the point the Giants got beat by the guys no one’s heard of. And bottom line here: scrub means bench player, the term he should have used in the first place. He could have gone with the less colorful but more accurate  “the 74 OPS+ utilityman Ryan Raburn” I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: SF Scrub</title>
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		<dc:creator>SF Scrub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point that needs to be made here is that Schulman is not a columnist, he is a beat writer. A beat writer's job is to report, not comment, on what happened. I'm not going to say people haven't gone overboard on this, but only a scrub reporter would've used terms like that in his article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point that needs to be made here is that Schulman is not a columnist, he is a beat writer. A beat writer&#8217;s job is to report, not comment, on what happened. I&#8217;m not going to say people haven&#8217;t gone overboard on this, but only a scrub reporter would&#8217;ve used terms like that in his article.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing is more ridiculous to me than when a professional journalist writes about all the vicious hate mail he receives, and whines about how classless said mailers are.

Yes, people hide behind the anonymity of the computer or typewriter and fire off a bunch of crap, but so?  Are we in third grade now? Whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"  Henry Schulman has no inherent right to be free of criticism.  No one denies his First Amendment right to call Ryan Raburn whatever he wishes, but on the flip side, we all have the right to call Mr. Schulman a moron when he exercises a lack in judgment like this.

You get paid to write your opinions for a living.  People are going to vehemently disagree, and the lowest common denominator always resorts to personal attacks.  Get thicker skin or find a new job.  If Henry Schulman had exercised some professional judgment, he never would have had to deal with the mean insults of Tiger fans and Todd Jones to begin with.  Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot, is it Hank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is more ridiculous to me than when a professional journalist writes about all the vicious hate mail he receives, and whines about how classless said mailers are.</p>
<p>Yes, people hide behind the anonymity of the computer or typewriter and fire off a bunch of crap, but so?  Are we in third grade now? Whatever happened to &#8220;sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?&#8221;  Henry Schulman has no inherent right to be free of criticism.  No one denies his First Amendment right to call Ryan Raburn whatever he wishes, but on the flip side, we all have the right to call Mr. Schulman a moron when he exercises a lack in judgment like this.</p>
<p>You get paid to write your opinions for a living.  People are going to vehemently disagree, and the lowest common denominator always resorts to personal attacks.  Get thicker skin or find a new job.  If Henry Schulman had exercised some professional judgment, he never would have had to deal with the mean insults of Tiger fans and Todd Jones to begin with.  Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot, is it Hank?</p>
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		<title>By: Flying J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when mommy and daddy fight.

I just want more wins.
and more booze.
and more q-bert.

Over 500 by all star break is a real possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it when mommy and daddy fight.</p>
<p>I just want more wins.<br />
and more booze.<br />
and more q-bert.</p>
<p>Over 500 by all star break is a real possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that's a shame.  However, I don't think there's a problem with saying you don't agree with the way a writer (or anyone) went about doing something.  I will now take your advice and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s a shame.  However, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a problem with saying you don&#8217;t agree with the way a writer (or anyone) went about doing something.  I will now take your advice and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schulman in today's Freep (linked above): "In 20 years as a baseball writer, I believe I have shown more respect to players than I was shown by many Tigers fans who e-mailed me this week. One person even said he hopes I die. Now that's class."

That sounds different than Boston fans with Plaschke? 

Look, fact of the matter is, the internet era makes it far too easy for anonymous emailers to fire off bile garbage like that, and something should probably be said as an answer to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schulman in today&#8217;s Freep (linked above): &#8220;In 20 years as a baseball writer, I believe I have shown more respect to players than I was shown by many Tigers fans who e-mailed me this week. One person even said he hopes I die. Now that&#8217;s class.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds different than Boston fans with Plaschke? </p>
<p>Look, fact of the matter is, the internet era makes it far too easy for anonymous emailers to fire off bile garbage like that, and something should probably be said as an answer to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/06/22/advice-on-this-henry-schulman-nonsense-get-over-it/#comment-32559</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this situation is very different.  I don't know of anyone that personally attacked Schulman, doing so would be doing the exact same thing he did.

Also, to agree with Joe above, I don't think a lot of time was spent on this story.  The only time I heard of it was the day after, people had their say and moved on.  I think if you would have made this post that day it would have had more of a point but I think most people are past it already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this situation is very different.  I don&#8217;t know of anyone that personally attacked Schulman, doing so would be doing the exact same thing he did.</p>
<p>Also, to agree with Joe above, I don&#8217;t think a lot of time was spent on this story.  The only time I heard of it was the day after, people had their say and moved on.  I think if you would have made this post that day it would have had more of a point but I think most people are past it already.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't want Tigers fans to &lt;a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke8-2008jun08,0,6652407.column" rel="nofollow"&gt;act like this.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t want Tigers fans to <a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke8-2008jun08,0,6652407.column" rel="nofollow">act like this.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for kicking me in the crotch, Kurt.  

Seriously though.  I do tend to agree with you.  I made my post *right* when that story was announced on during the Tigers game the next day with the Giants.  My response was a knee jerk reaction.

The part of your post that got me the most was comparing us to Boston fans.  Great point.  If Mr. Schulman wants to consider Ryan Raburn or any other player a "scrub" or anything else he should be able to without being screamed at by everyone in MI.

However, you do have to admit that it probably wasn't the best choice of words for the point he was trying to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for kicking me in the crotch, Kurt.  </p>
<p>Seriously though.  I do tend to agree with you.  I made my post *right* when that story was announced on during the Tigers game the next day with the Giants.  My response was a knee jerk reaction.</p>
<p>The part of your post that got me the most was comparing us to Boston fans.  Great point.  If Mr. Schulman wants to consider Ryan Raburn or any other player a &#8220;scrub&#8221; or anything else he should be able to without being screamed at by everyone in MI.</p>
<p>However, you do have to admit that it probably wasn&#8217;t the best choice of words for the point he was trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think YOU might be getting a little too offended, Kurt.  Are Tiger fans really spending a lot of time on this?  It takes only a few minutes to write a blog post or an e-mail to a sports writer.  Talk radio is a bad example because they have to fill up hours of programming daily.

Are Tiger fans being petty?  In the grand scheme of things, what was said was not that bad,  but we've always been protective of our own.  That's a Detroit thing, not a Tiger thing. You mention the "human victory cigar" (a reference to Darko, I assume), but a couple things: 1) We Detroiters called him that, not some jack-off from San Francisco and 2) Darko was a #2 pick, well-paid, who when he did play did not appear to give his all.  Raburn, on the other hand, is much less celebrated, yet gives his all whenever he is inserted into the lineup and plays good old-fashioned hard-nosed baseball.

As far as the players, it's only natural to expect them to stick up for one of their own, and I think most baseball people are suspicious of the media, at least from my experience.  Rare is someone like Curtis Granderson, who seems to have a good relationship.  Most baseball types are more like Jonesie in that respect.

At the end of the day, I don't think people spent a lot of time on this story.  It just appears that way in the information age.  There's only so much that can be said about the team's poor start anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think YOU might be getting a little too offended, Kurt.  Are Tiger fans really spending a lot of time on this?  It takes only a few minutes to write a blog post or an e-mail to a sports writer.  Talk radio is a bad example because they have to fill up hours of programming daily.</p>
<p>Are Tiger fans being petty?  In the grand scheme of things, what was said was not that bad,  but we&#8217;ve always been protective of our own.  That&#8217;s a Detroit thing, not a Tiger thing. You mention the &#8220;human victory cigar&#8221; (a reference to Darko, I assume), but a couple things: 1) We Detroiters called him that, not some jack-off from San Francisco and 2) Darko was a #2 pick, well-paid, who when he did play did not appear to give his all.  Raburn, on the other hand, is much less celebrated, yet gives his all whenever he is inserted into the lineup and plays good old-fashioned hard-nosed baseball.</p>
<p>As far as the players, it&#8217;s only natural to expect them to stick up for one of their own, and I think most baseball people are suspicious of the media, at least from my experience.  Rare is someone like Curtis Granderson, who seems to have a good relationship.  Most baseball types are more like Jonesie in that respect.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I don&#8217;t think people spent a lot of time on this story.  It just appears that way in the information age.  There&#8217;s only so much that can be said about the team&#8217;s poor start anyways.</p>
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