Comments on: Game 34: Tigers, fans manic depressive http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/ Fri, 16 May 2008 03:43:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Stacey http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30397 Stacey Thu, 08 May 2008 14:27:21 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30397 About the pitching, all I really want is for someone to really admit that it's not all because of the offense not getting going, accountability as you say. Maybe they need to bring in a team psychologist (a pitcher whisperer) because it feels like they've gotten guys like Verlander and Bonderman all caught up in their heads. Renteria's pretty solid, and was a known quantity. I liked Jurrjens, but he was a risk, and I think it was the right deal. About the pitching, all I really want is for someone to really admit that it’s not all because of the offense not getting going, accountability as you say. Maybe they need to bring in a team psychologist (a pitcher whisperer) because it feels like they’ve gotten guys like Verlander and Bonderman all caught up in their heads.

Renteria’s pretty solid, and was a known quantity. I liked Jurrjens, but he was a risk, and I think it was the right deal.

]]> By: Ian C. http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30347 Ian C. Wed, 07 May 2008 20:13:27 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30347 "ManRam" as a nickname opens up all sorts of other implications, doesn't it? Or was I the only to think that? Regarding the Jurrjens/Renteria deal, I understand why some fans might want to call a Mulligan on it, but that strikes me as some revisionist thinking. If the Tigers had come into this season with Ramon Santiago set to be their starting shortstops, pitchfork and torch salesmen in the Detroit area would've had healthy winter sales. As much as Jurrjens might look nice in the starting rotation right now, Kurt said it: Renteria has given the Tigers good production at shortstop. “ManRam” as a nickname opens up all sorts of other implications, doesn’t it? Or was I the only to think that?

Regarding the Jurrjens/Renteria deal, I understand why some fans might want to call a Mulligan on it, but that strikes me as some revisionist thinking. If the Tigers had come into this season with Ramon Santiago set to be their starting shortstops, pitchfork and torch salesmen in the Detroit area would’ve had healthy winter sales. As much as Jurrjens might look nice in the starting rotation right now, Kurt said it: Renteria has given the Tigers good production at shortstop.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30342 Kurt Wed, 07 May 2008 17:40:06 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30342 Jurrens when we had him on board: 4.70 ERA 4 HR 13 Ks 30 innings Same number of starts. Jurrjens starts this season were were against Washington, Colorado, Florida, Dodgers, Mets, Pittsburgh ... the Dodgers offense can score. The Pirates are #8 in the MLB. And the rest? Not so good. Does anyone think maybe the quality of opponent he's facing routinely in the N.L. may be a bit different than say, facing the Angels, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees and Red Sox? Not saying I don't wish he was in the organization. I do. But man alive are we missing the point, because Renteria has been one of the few bright points this season. Had Jurrjens been traded for Jones or something, yeah, there'd be a major complaint. This trade is not why the Tigers are losing. The problem from an organizational stand point is this: let's say the tigers still had Jurrjens. They'd have called him up rather than Armando Galarraga. Considering Galarraga is the only pitcher doing well, you break even. Are you then going to call for Galarraga to get the call up to replace Verlander? Bonderman? Rogers? Robertson. That isn't going to happen. What has to happen is the four horses the Tigers have must perform. Anyone who thinks one of those guys is going to lose his job is kidding themself. Jurrens when we had him on board:

4.70 ERA
4 HR
13 Ks
30 innings

Same number of starts.

Jurrjens starts this season were were against Washington, Colorado, Florida, Dodgers, Mets, Pittsburgh … the Dodgers offense can score. The Pirates are #8 in the MLB. And the rest? Not so good. Does anyone think maybe the quality of opponent he’s facing routinely in the N.L. may be a bit different than say, facing the Angels, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees and Red Sox?

Not saying I don’t wish he was in the organization. I do. But man alive are we missing the point, because Renteria has been one of the few bright points this season. Had Jurrjens been traded for Jones or something, yeah, there’d be a major complaint. This trade is not why the Tigers are losing.

The problem from an organizational stand point is this: let’s say the tigers still had Jurrjens. They’d have called him up rather than Armando Galarraga. Considering Galarraga is the only pitcher doing well, you break even. Are you then going to call for Galarraga to get the call up to replace Verlander? Bonderman? Rogers? Robertson. That isn’t going to happen. What has to happen is the four horses the Tigers have must perform. Anyone who thinks one of those guys is going to lose his job is kidding themself.

]]> By: Blake http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30341 Blake Wed, 07 May 2008 17:31:04 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30341 Jurrjens: 2.84 ERA 1.08 WHIP 36 Ks in 44 innings I'd be cool if we still had him on board. Jurrjens:

2.84 ERA
1.08 WHIP
36 Ks in 44 innings

I’d be cool if we still had him on board.

]]> By: Flying J http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30338 Flying J Wed, 07 May 2008 16:35:09 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30338 How about calling "re-do" on the Renteria deal? I would much rather have a weak hitting/slick fielding kid at SS and a guy like Jair ready to slide into the rotation. How about calling “re-do” on the Renteria deal? I would much rather have a weak hitting/slick fielding kid at SS and a guy like Jair ready to slide into the rotation.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30337 Kurt Wed, 07 May 2008 16:02:37 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30337 Nobody argues with your premise, Stacey. The problem is, what really can be done? There's really nothing in the minors I'd want to replace a starter with and Chuck Hernandez can't make them find the strike zone any better. I think there should be some accountability there from Leyland, but it's his place to do something. What suggestions do you have? Nobody argues with your premise, Stacey. The problem is, what really can be done? There’s really nothing in the minors I’d want to replace a starter with and Chuck Hernandez can’t make them find the strike zone any better. I think there should be some accountability there from Leyland, but it’s his place to do something.

What suggestions do you have?

]]> By: Stacey http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30336 Stacey Wed, 07 May 2008 15:57:48 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30336 Granted, yesterday the bats couldn't get going, but I don't know why nobody's calling for something to be done about starting pitching. You can't win if you keep giving up so many runs... and everyone keeps complaining about the offense. Where is Chuck Hernandez, and why hasn't he had anything to say? Granted, yesterday the bats couldn’t get going, but I don’t know why nobody’s calling for something to be done about starting pitching. You can’t win if you keep giving up so many runs… and everyone keeps complaining about the offense. Where is Chuck Hernandez, and why hasn’t he had anything to say?

]]> By: Blake http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/2008/05/07/game-34-tigers-fans-manic-depressive/#comment-30333 Blake Wed, 07 May 2008 13:41:05 +0000 http://www.mackavenuetigers.com/?p=1262#comment-30333 I think I agree with that, they're average. So far they've played a fairly tough schedule. However, at the very best that seems to add up to a first round playoff loss in humiliating fashion. I just don't like this rollercoaster. They're a bipolar baseball team. I feel like good teams, when they go through rough patches, will go still manage to go 4-6 over 10 games or 5-5. The Tigers just straight lose. When they go through rough patches they just do not win. It's impossible. Time for some heads to roll. I think I agree with that, they’re average. So far they’ve played a fairly tough schedule. However, at the very best that seems to add up to a first round playoff loss in humiliating fashion.

I just don’t like this rollercoaster. They’re a bipolar baseball team. I feel like good teams, when they go through rough patches, will go still manage to go 4-6 over 10 games or 5-5. The Tigers just straight lose. When they go through rough patches they just do not win. It’s impossible. Time for some heads to roll.

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